Talk:Grey Vampire (3.5e Race)
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is this a race or a template? the whole subtype thing makes me question it. If i make a half orc grey vampire do i get the half orc abilities and these? --NameViolation 23:10, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
- As written: It's a race that has the Undead type and a particular racial subtype usually given to humanoids. The Human, Elf, Orc, etc. subtypes don't grant any abilities, so no, you don't get anything other than "counts as an Orc for some stuff". --Quantumboost 23:37, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
- It's a race. It's similar to dragonborn (or more appropriately Hellbred from Fiendish Codex II) in that while they were an "elf" or an "orc" to start, all their traits save what kind of humanoid they were are lost. As Quantum said, all it does it make you count as a X race, which is good f you still want to be the elf-only arcane archer and you were an elf.... and bad if you havea ranger with favored enemy humanoid (elf) because it still works on you. -- Eiji Hyrule 23:42, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I think this race is way over powered for only a +2 level adjustment -- compare to the Svirfneblin, which has a +3 level adjustment. Especially if the campaign takes place underground, where natural sunlight is almost non-existent. I would argue at a +4 level adjustment, and even then reduce uses of spell like abilities to 1/day, and animal form to 1/day per 5 HD (minimum 1/day) for maximum duration of 1 hour/5 HD per use.
- I find comparing it to WotC material is a terrible method. WotC has not been kind, sane, or balanced when it comes to doling out LA be it too much (most things) or too little (that pikachu thing, the Beguiler). A better test is how does this hold up to a human PC at level... 2... 3... whenever it comes into play.
- At ECL 3, that means I should be holding my own again the Wizard with Invisibility and other 2nd level spells, the Warblade and his Mountain Hammers, and more. It means I should be fighting Werewolves, Undead Ogres, and Allips... and winning most of the time (or 50% of the time one on one).
- Class levels are valuable, and by choosing Gray Vampire you don't get as many as others, so what you DO get needs to make up for the loss. The loss of hp, of BAB, of saves, the whole thing, not to mention class features. And don't forget to sign your posts. You can do so by writing ~~~~ at the end.
Fast Healing
Why is it dependent on the being at 0 life status. I think that the flavor of the vampire as written is the elite fighter, not the instinctual beast. -k2/CTLC, your choice
